tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post3044956068428616729..comments2023-05-13T09:44:09.456-04:00Comments on Adiaphora - a prologue to things indifferent.: Presbyterians still Fencing the TableChris Larimerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01770607122746467750noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-86388279524615533932009-05-13T10:55:00.000-04:002009-05-13T10:55:00.000-04:00The 39 Articles, which I affirm in their modified ...The 39 Articles, which I affirm in their modified form (Erastian / England-specific parts taken out) are a very pastoral and broad-union document. They were written in such a way as to be as inclusive as possible of both the Puritan position and the conservative (read: catholic) position. If Mary hadn't come along and thrown it all into disarray, who knows how things would have progressed...Chris Larimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01770607122746467750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-67237356608014182872009-05-13T10:47:00.000-04:002009-05-13T10:47:00.000-04:00I can agree with that. Thanks Chris.I can agree with that. Thanks Chris.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-58561447018369451652009-05-13T10:35:00.000-04:002009-05-13T10:35:00.000-04:00In so far as it is possible, I side with Calvin wh...In so far as it is possible, I side with Calvin who was happier to leave it a <I>mysterium tremendum</I>. He's really there, and I really can't explain how (though I know by Whom - because we use a standard epiclesis).<br /><br />Is His presence tied to the elements? Yes. In His presence limited to them? No. Even the Roman church agrees that those who cannot partake of the elements can receive the same benefits through spiritual communion. There is a seed of the truth that they've papered over with Bull(s).Chris Larimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01770607122746467750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-84828220685110676642009-05-13T10:06:00.000-04:002009-05-13T10:06:00.000-04:00Chris,
On the "real presence" front are you agree...Chris,<br /><br />On the "real presence" front are you agreeing with Calvin in the true and real spiritual presence or the "in, through, and around" of Luther?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-70964840480532890292009-05-13T10:04:00.000-04:002009-05-13T10:04:00.000-04:00We practice "Close Communion" as you have it descr...We practice "Close Communion" as you have it described above. However I get the feeling in my denomination (ARP) the practice is closer to the 3rd option. Most (if not all) RPCNA churches require that you meet with an Elder or the Pastor prior to being allowed to partake in the Eucharist. Mostly this takes the form of a 5-minute conversation ensuring you are member of an orthodox (small "o") church and are not under discipline. I really think we do a great disservice to our congregations and to those gathered in our services by not taking Paul's exhortation in 1 Cor 11 seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-42529997048074721432009-05-12T11:36:00.000-04:002009-05-12T11:36:00.000-04:00What was it Luther said about Zwingli? He'd rather...What was it Luther said about Zwingli? He'd rather drink blood with the papists than wine with the Anabaptists?<br /><br />I'm a true-presence advocate myself - one of the many reasons I left that PCUSA.<br /><br />So here's the big question, Pastor Juhl: Would I be able to receive Christ's True Body and True Blood with you presiding? Or do our confessional differences bar us from sacramental union? (This side of the visible church...)Chris Larimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01770607122746467750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-65133702721233594192009-05-12T11:25:00.000-04:002009-05-12T11:25:00.000-04:00For the record, The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod...For the record, The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod does not believe in transubstantiation. The LC-MS agrees with Luther's Small Catechism.<br />============<br /><I> What is the Sacrament of the Altar? </I>It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus under the bread and wine, instituted by Christ Himself for us Christians to eat and drink.<br />============<br />The bread and wine do not lose their substance, leaving their accidents. The bread and wine are bread and wine. They are also the True Body and True Blood of Jesus Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-1873640550954953432009-05-08T20:36:00.000-04:002009-05-08T20:36:00.000-04:00The Presby churches I have attended have all pract...The Presby churches I have attended have all practiced open communion. I do struggle with this sometimes. I was a Baptist for a while as a young adult. They believe that is wrong to take communion if you are not right with God. Since returning to the Presbys, this mindset pops up regularly when taking communion. When I attend my friend's Lutheran (MS) church, I don't take communion out of respect for their belief in transubstantiation. So, to sum up my rambling (sorry), at the moment, I don't have a clue where I stand. Thanks for the post and making me think about it again. I love the picture.Sarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615470767636439884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30216641.post-28148676455851610932009-05-08T17:09:00.000-04:002009-05-08T17:09:00.000-04:00Cranmer rules!Cranmer rules!Dave Moodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08217094060036455319noreply@blogger.com